In the second parardh after the passage of six Kalpas (a measure of time), there reigned a powerful king by the name of King Bali. He was a great warrior and he defeated all the demons and exercised full control over them. He defeated the king of divines Indra too and experienced all kinds of comforts. All divines and kinners bowed to him and whole Earth came under his rule. When he achieved everything then he started on the path of Dharma. When a congregation was under way, a question arose as to how a birth takes place and how death comes. The King Bali asked Guru of the Divines Brihaspati, ‘ O Brahmin, When the purusha dies, his body is burnt, then how he experiences the fruits of his karmas and how he moves about without a body, kindly explain?’ Guru Brihaspati replied, ‘O King, a Purusha has no bdy. As water is seen at a distance in a desert, in the same manner the body is seen with the purusha but it is not there. A jeeva never takes birth, it never dies, it is never burnt and it never experiences any pain. It remains in an unattached form always. But due to laxity of form considers himself in pain, experiences it and experiences birth, so much time has elapsed, so and so is my father or mother and I have taken birth from them and then finds himself dead. O King! due to ignorance only he feels all this as due to illusion of sleep one sees dreams, in the same manner due to ignorance he thinks himself to be. When dead, he feels that his body was generated from a pind and now I will experiences pains and pleasures. As Ether exists in the dream, in the same manner due to desire he experiences body with himself. Due to it only he experiences all the pleasures and pains and same thing happens after death even. In reality, there is no body at all with him what to say of life and death. Due to ignorance of his body development in his self, he established like a physical entity and joining with it whichever kind of thinking he does with it, same he experiences. As per his attachment whatever kind of desire arises in him, that kind of body is generated next. Like this he keeps on moving from one body to another and sees the whole five elemental creation. As the waves rise and fall in an ocean in the same manner body is created and annihilated. Due to relation with body, he seems to take birth and die but ni actuality Atma is established as it is in its natural state, due to attachement only he sees the whole world in it.
O King, world is established in his mind and per desire he sees it ahead. World is established in the Jeeva but Jeev is not in the world. As oil is there in the seed but seed is not there in the oil. As ornaments are seen in the gold but gold is not thought of in the ornaments. In the same manner, this creation is neither true no false. It is not true because it is not static but changing; not untrue because it seems to be existing. Therefor get rid of its thought. This scene is illusion, its experience is illusion and the egotistical jeev experiencing it is also illusion. As water in a desert is an illusion, in the same manner jeev and ego in atma is also illusion only. Till the meanings of the scriptures are not stable and are distracting, the world cannot be removed from the thought. Till it gets rid of ego and enacting of the creation scenes, self-realization cannot be achieved. Till a person is struck in the world, he keeps on moving in the creation.
O King, Atma can never be told, it neither comes nor takes birth or dies. When connect of the ego and the things experienced by it, is broken, it is called joy. When the relation between them ceases, then whatever will be left behind, will be termed as Atma. This is Brahmpad or Shiv atma where there is no movement of speech. This can only be experienced and cannot be stated in words. So establish in this state. O Ram, the process through which like and dislikes can be removed, that is the best. Till the scene is seen, this is there or not there, it is called Jeev and when all this gets removed then the definition of the jeeva also vanishes and one achieved the state of Shiva where there is not movement of speech.
Thus Brihaspati explained to King Bali. Till the truth of the world is established in the heart, one will achieve physical body as per the karmas or actions performed. Whichever thing our chitt observes it has a tendency to move towards it and sanskaar or resolve for that arises in the heart. Whichever thing one considers as true, resolve of that strongly establishes inside like an egg of a peacock has its own power inside so that when the time comes different beautiful colours appear on its own. In the same manner resolve of the chit appears with the passage of time. Brihaspati said, ‘ A seed sprouts on the eat and not in the space. The kind of seed that will be sown in Earth same kind of fruit shall be taken from it. Here Earth represents our ego. As the jeev thinks and performs his action, in the same manner he achieves various bodies on this Earth and experiences the fruits therein. As per its karmas, pains and pleasures are experienced. Knowledgeable people are like Ether. How will a seed sprout in the space? It sprouts only with the thought in the Earth of ignorance. Bali Asked, ‘O Guru of the divines, you say that whether a jeeva takes birth or dies, it is because of his own experience, but if there is no thought of a body etc then how does its body arise again?’ Briahspati ji replied, ‘ O King, even if pind daan (during last rites) is not done but he desired something in the mind, that very desire is the base karma which will make him experience a body, if at that very moment someone offers a pind. But if he has no desire, some relative of his offers pind daan for him, even then he will experience a body, because that also serves as a vibration in his desire. O King, an ignorant person’s karmas are never finished, because they feel duality in the non-dual atma. Whatever karma he performs it sprouts in his ego or chitt which give rise to innumerable bodies. Those desire form bodies are seen like dream due to ignorance only.’
Bali replied that he had understood that one who has no thought, he experiences thoughtless stat and becomes unmoving like a mountain to the whole creation. When anyone is like a stone to the world, then only its freedom. To this Brihaspati replied that when one experiences this non attachment only then he becomes ignorant to the creation. Non-existence of the creation is actually unmoving state. One who is not swayed by any attribute, understand that he is established in the ultimate state. That beyond doubt is actually totally free. Till the truth of existence of the world exists in the mind, desires prevail and till then world also exists. By illusion of the form, chitt came into being, by development of desire in the chitt world or creation appeared. Hence let go of the desire. When no desire arises, peace will prevail.
Whether one is alive or dead, whatever will touch its chitt, it leave a mark. Like juice inside a peacocks egg, acquires its full form with time whether it is seen at the start or not, in the same manner seed of desire will surely take form at its own appropriate time. Till chit is there, world is and when chit is burnt, world also disappears. I am also like space and you are also like space, chit arises only due to non-understanding of the self. When with the fire of knowledge, ignorance is burnt, then one achieves the real self and the definition of life disappears. So the best option is to burn this chitt. Now we discuss the procedure as to how to burn this chitt which is the cause of all the miseries in this world. The seven stages of wisdom are essential for it. Out of them, three have already explained and balance four will be explained now. Out of the first three, a person who has got even one, he is called a mahapurusha or great soul. His sense of respect and attachment are all removed. He is not affected by any company. Due to continuous contemplation desire is burnt, he feels same in pains and pleasures. His joys-happiness, likes-dislikes or desires all are removed. In the third state so many qualities are achieved his chitt gets annihilated. Then world is not seen, as when taking a light in hand we look for darkness and cannot find it.
Thus ends the discussion between divine Guru Brihaspati and King Bali………..Om!